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	<title>Comments on: Decent Assault?</title>
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		<title>By: PlanningQueen</title>
		<link>http://www.kinshome.net/2008/03/decent-assault.html/comment-page-1#comment-1021</link>
		<dc:creator>PlanningQueen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 13:17:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>5% conviction rate! No wonder so many women to do not want to go to court.  That is a very disturbing stat.</description>
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		<title>By: successfultradingtips.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>successfultradingtips.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 01:52:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>defense attny's will lobby for terms that obfuscate what is really going on. 

murder is both a verb and a noun. Murder is usually a noun most oftn for legal expedience.  Murder one, murder two etc. 

rape is a verb, and could also be a noun for legalese. Rape one, two, and three could define the different degrees of rape. 

Murder is never called "life assault" or life assault one, and so neither should be rape. 

In doing so, with a statiscal lower conviction rate, I believe sexual assaults to be an intentional misappropriation of terms on behalf of defense attys trying to obfuscate what the hell is going on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>defense attny&#8217;s will lobby for terms that obfuscate what is really going on. </p>
<p>murder is both a verb and a noun. Murder is usually a noun most oftn for legal expedience.  Murder one, murder two etc. </p>
<p>rape is a verb, and could also be a noun for legalese. Rape one, two, and three could define the different degrees of rape. </p>
<p>Murder is never called &#8220;life assault&#8221; or life assault one, and so neither should be rape. </p>
<p>In doing so, with a statiscal lower conviction rate, I believe sexual assaults to be an intentional misappropriation of terms on behalf of defense attys trying to obfuscate what the hell is going on.</p>
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		<title>By: Jayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 02:31:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with all the above comments - "sexual assault" is far too broad a term covering anything and everything whereas "rape" can't be mistaken for anything except the gross abuse by one human being against another.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with all the above comments - &#8220;sexual assault&#8221; is far too broad a term covering anything and everything whereas &#8220;rape&#8221; can&#8217;t be mistaken for anything except the gross abuse by one human being against another.</p>
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		<title>By: river</title>
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		<dc:creator>river</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, Guera, it's my opinion too that legal jargon was invented so that people don't understand what used to be simple thus guaranteeing more work for lawyers. Some paperwork, i.e. contracts, are so complicated we almost need a university degree just to read them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, Guera, it&#8217;s my opinion too that legal jargon was invented so that people don&#8217;t understand what used to be simple thus guaranteeing more work for lawyers. Some paperwork, i.e. contracts, are so complicated we almost need a university degree just to read them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracey</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tracey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:59:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don't like the term 'sexual assault'. I feel it's too broad and tends to minimise what's happened in some cases.

It must be a bit confusing studying in NSW and living in Qld! Good luck with that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t like the term &#8217;sexual assault&#8217;. I feel it&#8217;s too broad and tends to minimise what&#8217;s happened in some cases.</p>
<p>It must be a bit confusing studying in NSW and living in Qld! Good luck with that.</p>
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		<title>By: Guera</title>
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		<dc:creator>Guera</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 08:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My recollection from my law studies (years ago) was that the term rape was changed to sexual assault in an effort to overcome the stigma attached to the word "rape" and increase numbers of women reporting the crime. It was done in part to protect victims. To me that seems a bit short-sighted because surely in time the term "sexual assault" would take on a stigma too. The real gains in improving reporting figures would (and has) come in education of the community. In any event the name you use to describe the offence is only one of the many factors that would make a rape trial traumatic for the victim.

In WA at least there is a clear distinction between the legal definitions of sexual assualt and indecent assault and indecent assault is a lesser offence. Generally I think sexual assault is defined as penetration, indecent is not. (sorry if that's too graphic for your readers) As River said indecent assault conjures up images of inappropriate grabbing and there's every chance that's what happened in the case you linked to (there weren't any details of what he did). I think it can also include many other forms of forcible touching of a sexual nature. As far as what indecent means to you or me or a judge or jury, in the absence of an inclusive definition in the Criminal Code, it all comes back to those reasonable man tests doesn't it? I'm sure there's heaps of case law on it.

I think often the legal terminology used is an effort to distance the question of proving guilt from the preconceptions that juries bring to particular words and phrases. Sometimes that could really hold a conviction back, for example where someone is charged with sexual assault for an offence involving an object. (I'm trying to be a bit cryptic so as not to clutter your blog up with nasty images :) ) Your average juror might think "rape" just means person on person but if you explain the definition of "sexual assault" to them, they might be more open to a conviction. Of course lawyers could explain the definition of "rape" if that was the word used, but that carries a lot of baggage with it because it is an everyday term, not a legal term. I'm not saying the new terminology is a good thing or that its working, just that this is my impression of the justification for these terms. (Its also got a lot to do with legal jargon which the cynic in me puts down to lawyers making the law so complicated it is beyond the layman to understand, thus guaranteeing themselves ongoing work)

It's an interesting point you raised and I imagine its strange being torn between 2 states in your studies and home. Criminal law in particular differs around the country because some states are Code states (WA and Qld I think) others are not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My recollection from my law studies (years ago) was that the term rape was changed to sexual assault in an effort to overcome the stigma attached to the word &#8220;rape&#8221; and increase numbers of women reporting the crime. It was done in part to protect victims. To me that seems a bit short-sighted because surely in time the term &#8220;sexual assault&#8221; would take on a stigma too. The real gains in improving reporting figures would (and has) come in education of the community. In any event the name you use to describe the offence is only one of the many factors that would make a rape trial traumatic for the victim.</p>
<p>In WA at least there is a clear distinction between the legal definitions of sexual assualt and indecent assault and indecent assault is a lesser offence. Generally I think sexual assault is defined as penetration, indecent is not. (sorry if that&#8217;s too graphic for your readers) As River said indecent assault conjures up images of inappropriate grabbing and there&#8217;s every chance that&#8217;s what happened in the case you linked to (there weren&#8217;t any details of what he did). I think it can also include many other forms of forcible touching of a sexual nature. As far as what indecent means to you or me or a judge or jury, in the absence of an inclusive definition in the Criminal Code, it all comes back to those reasonable man tests doesn&#8217;t it? I&#8217;m sure there&#8217;s heaps of case law on it.</p>
<p>I think often the legal terminology used is an effort to distance the question of proving guilt from the preconceptions that juries bring to particular words and phrases. Sometimes that could really hold a conviction back, for example where someone is charged with sexual assault for an offence involving an object. (I&#8217;m trying to be a bit cryptic so as not to clutter your blog up with nasty images <img src='http://www.kinshome.net/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> ) Your average juror might think &#8220;rape&#8221; just means person on person but if you explain the definition of &#8220;sexual assault&#8221; to them, they might be more open to a conviction. Of course lawyers could explain the definition of &#8220;rape&#8221; if that was the word used, but that carries a lot of baggage with it because it is an everyday term, not a legal term. I&#8217;m not saying the new terminology is a good thing or that its working, just that this is my impression of the justification for these terms. (Its also got a lot to do with legal jargon which the cynic in me puts down to lawyers making the law so complicated it is beyond the layman to understand, thus guaranteeing themselves ongoing work)</p>
<p>It&#8217;s an interesting point you raised and I imagine its strange being torn between 2 states in your studies and home. Criminal law in particular differs around the country because some states are Code states (WA and Qld I think) others are not.</p>
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		<title>By: river</title>
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		<dc:creator>river</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 07:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with you. Rape is ugly and shouldn't be prettied up for court. Indecent assault, to many people, covers things like being grabbed on the breast or maybe someone putting their hands on other parts of the body. A jury panel hearing the accused is charged with indecent assault immediately forms a mental image of something similar to this, while hearing a charge of rape brings to mind a far more ugly event. The outcome is skewed by the forming of that very important first reaction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with you. Rape is ugly and shouldn&#8217;t be prettied up for court. Indecent assault, to many people, covers things like being grabbed on the breast or maybe someone putting their hands on other parts of the body. A jury panel hearing the accused is charged with indecent assault immediately forms a mental image of something similar to this, while hearing a charge of rape brings to mind a far more ugly event. The outcome is skewed by the forming of that very important first reaction.</p>
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